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Old 01-02-2015, 08:38 PM   #1
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The best Chromo axles are..........

Who makes the best Zuk chromo front axles to fit in zuk axle housings?

Or, put a little differently.......which brands to avoid, and why?

Yes.......some of you are going to say "go toy axles and forget about it". Well, I thot about it, but for the tome being, I'm staying with zuk stuff.
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I ran Trail Tough's chromoly's for a few years without any problems before I did Toys, The guy that got them from me is still using them.
http://www.trailtough.com/index.php?...mart&Itemid=53

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And isnt the verdict stock rears out back rather than chromo? They twist more than break/shatter?
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And isnt the verdict stock rears out back rather than chromo? They twist more than break/shatter?
This is what I've heard. The rear doesn't see as much stress as the front ones anyways.
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Trail gear now sells Bobby Longfield axles. Which I'm gonna be getting. I'm currently running Double Tough axles.
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I have chromolys in the front, have not broken an axle yet (knock on wood) and the front end is welded - soon to be an air locker.

I ran stock in the rear and broke at least 5 axles - 4 longs and a short one on the last trip. No bouncing or hopping, just moderately spinning the wheels to climb a rock or obstacle.

I am going Toyota with chromolys and a an elocker - should be bullet proof.

My brother has chromolys and has good luck with them.
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I dont own zuk axles but doesn't RCV offer a zuk birf? Thats where Id be looking if I needed axle shafts.
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Yes they do. I agree, go with RCV.
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Trail gear now sells Bobby Longfield axles. Which I'm gonna be getting. I'm currently running Double Tough axles.
Why?
Not happy with DT axles?
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3 rigs Spider Trax fronts, Roadless Gear which are made by CV Unlimited and one rig with Trail Toughs older chromo axles I think second generation. All have stood up to the test!!!!!!! Rear chromo axles broke one set of Calmini and have started to twist the splines on a second. Now have a set of Low Range Silver Backs. Have broken many rear short and long stock axles. 2 of the 3 rigs will be going yotas.
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Who makes the best Zuk chromo front axles to fit in zuk axle housings?

Or, put a little differently.......which brands to avoid, and why?

Yes.......some of you are going to say "go toy axles and forget about it". Well, I thot about it, but for the tome being, I'm staying with zuk stuff.
What size tire are you running?

What type of wheeling will you be doing? Mud? Rock crawling/climbing?

It is really the stress you will be putting on your rig that will determine what you would likely need to use.

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3 rigs Spider Trax fronts, Roadless Gear which are made by RCV and one rig with Trail Toughs older chromo axles I think second generation. All have stood up to the test!!!!!!! Rear chromo axles broke one set of Calmini and have started to twist the splines on a second. Now have a set of Low Range Silver Backs. Have broken many rear short and long stock axles. 2 of the 3 rigs will be going yotas.
Very interested as seeing/knowing how the Silver Backs stand up over a period of time.
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The rear doesn't see as much stress as the front ones anyways.
What? How do you figure?
When you are climbing up most any obstacle, you are going to have more weight on the rear axle, so you will have better traction (and more torque on the axleshafts).
Yes, the front axle birfields are the weak point, but that doesn't mean they see more stress than the rear axleshafts. Of course there are situations, where the fronts can see more stress than the rears, but IMO, in general the rear axleshafts will have more torque on them than the fronts, in most situations.


I think the front chromo axles are pretty much all the same. So I'd go with the ones that either are the best price, or have the best warranty...whichever is most important to you.

I haven't broken any chromo front axles or birfs, but I have twisted a stock rear axleshaft and broken a stock rear axleshaft. I run 33" TSLs, 142:1 crawl ratio, Lock Rights in both axles, and wheel mostly rocks/rocky trails.
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^ Agreed.

142:1!? Whatcha got in your driveline?
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142:1!? Whatcha got in your driveline?
Tracker tranny, tracker tcase, samurai tcase (4.16 gears), 5.12 axle gears.
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33's, lockrite'd and ran HARD for years on Trailtough double tough axles. No issues.

In the same timeframe I broke 3 Calmini rear chromos and twisted my stock axles splines.

I snapped the passenger side knuckle off last time out though, so I'm going to toys.

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Had trail tough in a friend's samurai and his foot is quite heavy with 5.13 r&p with 33x13.5 LTB and 16v....Never broke either front or rear axles
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Depends what terrain you like, Dutchman D60 front with 35 spline hubs and rear Ford 9" 31 spline 36" Iroks with full body in the PNW and like to run buggy trails to the hammers.
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OK, thanks for the replies.

I'm going to concentrate on the rear axle at this time, and will leave the front open until I have the funds to buy all of the parts for upgrading it. This stuff sure adds up..........

I have an ARB locker for the Zuk rear.
What about rear axles? Seems like the choices are either Calmini or LR Silverback axles. After reading some reviews on the Calmini axles, and the lack of warrany / customer support on the Calmini axles, I will be staying far away from them. Further, they hardly seem to be an "upgrade". That leaves the Low Range Silverbacks.......
How are they for fitment? Quality strength and longevity? There is not much feedback on them. One guy had to polish the seal surfaces himself as they were rough from the factory.
Anyone running these?
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OK, thanks for the replies.

I'm going to concentrate on the rear axle at this time, and will leave the front open until I have the funds to buy all of the parts for upgrading it. This stuff sure adds up..........

I have an ARB locker for the Zuk rear.
What about rear axles? Seems like the choices are either Calmini or LR Silverback axles. After reading some reviews on the Calmini axles, and the lack of warrany / customer support on the Calmini axles, I will be staying far away from them. Further, they hardly seem to be an "upgrade". That leaves the Low Range Silverbacks.......
How are they for fitment? Quality strength and longevity? There is not much feedback on them. One guy had to polish the seal surfaces himself as they were rough from the factory.
Anyone running these?
Ordered stuff from Calmini numerous times and never had a problem with customer service, and I find their product build quality is top notch so I never had a problem with fitment nor failure of any of their parts either.. I find Calmini usually are one of the very few companies out there that sells what it advertises... and not its a "complete bolt on" then when you get it instructions have in 4 hours of welding involved. They don't sell the ultimate Trail Killer super flex kits but if you aren't trying to win a competition Calmini is always where I would send guys who want to get into the sport or wants the rugged look for their road vehicle.

Honestly if your reallly aggressive and harsh on your rig I suggest save the money and just go with Yota axles or Danas...When hardened axles were first being made for samurais they were said to be good for 35s.....People broke them on 33s, and according to the advert they will stand up to 35" tires. Now I see they either removed tire size rating all together in the adverts or they have them rated now at 33" tires.

All depends on what wheeling you do will decide the fate of your driveline....Mud will be least harsh, where rocks will really test driveline strength.

I'm on 31s and I'll be running a set of hardened axles..If I were to ever go up to 33s I'll be looking into Toyota Axles!

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OK, thanks for the replies.

I'm going to concentrate on the rear axle at this time, and will leave the front open until I have the funds to buy all of the parts for upgrading it. This stuff sure adds up..........

I have an ARB locker for the Zuk rear.
What about rear axles? Seems like the choices are either Calmini or LR Silverback axles. After reading some reviews on the Calmini axles, and the lack of warrany / customer support on the Calmini axles, I will be staying far away from them. Further, they hardly seem to be an "upgrade". That leaves the Low Range Silverbacks.......
How are they for fitment? Quality strength and longevity? There is not much feedback on them. One guy had to polish the seal surfaces himself as they were rough from the factory.
Anyone running these?
One thing to remember on reading reviews, is look at the dates. Calmini had a run of axles that had heat treat issues years ago. Many were sold as they were pretty much the only rear chromo axle sold. Much has been learned on rear axle shafts over the last 10 years in the industry as a whole and chromo rears is a very specific science and not comparable to the fronts to a degree as the limits for twisting and bending is very tight where the fronts are not as much.

That said, I would go and will go with the silverbacks myself. They are embracing the science behind the axles and have made good progress on solving the rear sammy axle upgrade issues.

Just remember, no matter the material, your still limited to something the diameter of a quarter trying to turn your tires. Keep your tire size in mind knowing this. Fronts (22 spline) are the diameter of a nickle.
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My zuk is a hunting / exped rig. It will see the rocky / rooty Pacific Northwest deactivated roads, old roads and trails, and snow......snow as deep as I can drive through with chains.

I'm staying with the zuk axle housings, and will run 31's with a VW 1.9TD for torque. Gearing will all be stock.

Will stock rear axle shafts hold up to the torque of the diesel and deep snow or rocks / stumps etc? I am going to be light on the throttle, as I'm interested in drivetrain longevity over extreme performace / stressing parts.

As for rear chromo shaft choices........the LROR Silverbacks and the Calmini's, is that it? Seems like all I can dig up on the net for choices.
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My zuk is a hunting / exped rig. It will see the rocky / rooty Pacific Northwest deactivated roads, old roads and trails, and snow......snow as deep as I can drive through with chains.

I'm staying with the zuk axle housings, and will run 31's with a VW 1.9TD for torque. Gearing will all be stock.

Will stock rear axle shafts hold up to the torque of the diesel and deep snow or rocks / stumps etc? I am going to be light on the throttle, as I'm interested in drivetrain longevity over extreme performace / stressing parts.

As for rear chromo shaft choices........the LROR Silverbacks and the Calmini's, is that it? Seems like all I can dig up on the net for choices.
With all the talk on axles I was going to mention what of your drive shaft and the rest of your drive train. Based on what you say you are wheeling over, on 31's, I think you would be fine even with stock axles; I would start there.
Install the rear locker.

If you want to upgrade the front axles, cool...
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On 31s you'll be good on pretty much any terrain....If you aren't harsh when wheeling the stock axles may even be good enough... If you want the surety when wheeling that you wouldn't have to pull aside and slow down the pack to fix your rig, I would say full steam ahead on the hardened axles, and CatZuk does have a point about the date of manufactured bits... The silverbacks are way newer than the Calminis are so they "SHOULD" have in the latest in technology we have available today.. The silverbacks are also cheaper...

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Yes, the fronts are on the list.........the money tree only grows so fast.

I just rebuilt the knuckles and put a set of birf rings on the fronts. Keeping them open until I do the chromo / arb refit. Thinking that having the front open, there will be little chance of braking an axle if my right foot behaves itself.
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On 31s you'll be good on pretty much any terrain....If you aren't harsh when wheeling the stock axles may even be good enough... If you want the surety when wheeling that you wouldn't have to pull aside and slow down the pack to fix your rig, I would say full steam ahead on the hardened axles, and CatZuk does have a point about the date of manufactured bits... The silverbacks are way newer than the Calminis are so they "SHOULD" have in the latest in technology we have available today.. The silverbacks are also cheaper...

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I NEED LONG SPLINES!!!!

I'm still running stock fronts with AL housing, Open

Got custom RCV's with long spline and my locker to put in though. Job situation postponed this.

I see FF'ers in the near future for rear.
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